{"id":8212,"date":"2024-07-08T07:17:19","date_gmt":"2024-07-08T11:17:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/?p=8212"},"modified":"2026-04-04T12:49:05","modified_gmt":"2026-04-04T16:49:05","slug":"biggs-murray-restoring-apparatus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/biggs-murray-restoring-apparatus\/","title":{"rendered":"Bob Biggs, Mike Murray, and Restoring Fire Apparatus"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In February 2014, Raleigh Fire Captain Nick Murray recounted the following stories of his father, retired Raleigh Fire Captain Mike Murray and longtime Raleigh Fire Department friend Col. Bob Biggs, retired USAF, and their work restoring numerous antique fire trucks, including Raleigh&#8217;s 1926 American LaFrance pumper. Here&#8217;s the original blog archives posting:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jay Leno and Chapel Hill&#8217;s 1921 American LaFrance Video<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Original Blog Post<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Found this the other day, a video from Jay Leno&#8217;s Garage featuring Chapel Hill&#8217;s 1921 American LaFrance triple combination. Registration #3600, ship order #57359, and ship date September 24, 1921, says John Peckham&#8217;s database via SPAAMFA.<br \/>\nThe truck, which was the second motor apparatus to serve the college town, was sold around the mid 1990s. Tt was purchased by the late Bob Biggs, a local apparatus buff and longtime friend of the Raleigh Fire Department.<\/p>\n<p>Recall that he lead the restoration of the city&#8217;s 1926 American LaFrance. Biggs and Raleigh Capt. Mike Murray restored this truck. Bob passed away in 2007, and the truck was since sold to Gary Wales in Woodland Hills, CA. He gives Jay the full tour, and then they take the truck for a spin. By way of pre-restoration comparison, here&#8217;s a picture of the truck from Lee Wilson at Station 2, taken in the early 1990s.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8213\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd-300x223.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"223\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd-300x223.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd2.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-8214\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"337\" height=\"221\" border=\"1\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd2.jpg 800w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd2-300x197.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-07-chfd2-730x479.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 337px) 100vw, 337px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--more-->And here&#8217;s a picture of the restored truck in October 1997, in a parade for the occasion of the Cary Fire Department&#8217;s 75th Anniversary. Photo scanned from 35mm negative, possibly Richard Sumler credit. From the CFD archives.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024-07-08-parade.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8220\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024-07-08-parade.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"860\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024-07-08-parade.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024-07-08-parade-300x215.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024-07-08-parade-730x523.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Story Continues<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The 1921 American LaFrance was an original Town of Chapel Hill apparatus. I\u2019m not sure of the exact dates but Bob Biggs purchased the truck. (I\u2019m not sure if this was a purchase from Chapel Hill FD or a private individual.) Around this time, period Bob Biggs (retired US Air Force Colonel) and my Dad, Mike Murray (retired Raleigh Fire Department Captain), were working together on restoring numerous antique fire apparatus including Raleigh\u2019s 1926 American LaFrance and the Raleigh Professional Firefighters Association\u2019s 1948 Mack.<\/p>\n<p>The restoration of the \u201848 Mack (RPFFA) and the \u201826 LaFrance (RFD) took place at a local fire station, but other restorations of trucks Bob and my Dad completed took place out of the basement in the backyard of my Mom and Dad\u2019s house. (Which is not a whole lot bigger than a standard two-car garage!) This was the house that I grew up in and currently live in after my parents both retired and move to Morehead City, NC.<\/p>\n<p>While I was a teenager in the late \u201880s and through the \u201890s, Bob and my Dad worked restoring old fire trucks Monday through Friday of every week. Bob and my Dad would meet daily for breakfast at the local diner up the street and would come back home to spend the day working on restorations. I remember always seeing old fire trucks parked in the back yard or in the basement that were either the ones being restored or the numerous parts trucks that they purchased.<\/p>\n<p>After working on Raleigh\u2019s truck and the RPFFA truck they talked about getting a truck of their own to restore and display in parades and truck shows around the area. So Bob purchased the 1921 LaFrance and work began. Bob and my Dad were a great working pair. Bob was a brilliant-minded engineer and my Dad had a great talent in the aesthetics. We used to say that Bob handled the \u201cworking\u201d mechanical aspects and my dad handled the \u201cpretty\u201d parts, the look and shine of the trucks.<\/p>\n<p>Although they were able to accomplish great thing working together, this didn\u2019t go on without some very heated arguments. If anyone knew these two, being hard-headed and stubborn was a trait they both expressed at times! I\u2019m not sure of the exact time frame of that particular restoration or the others for that matter, but I know it was in the several years throughout the 1990s and into the 2000s.<\/p>\n<p>In the time period from the late \u201880s until the passing of Colonel Biggs in March of 2007, they restored a \u201820\u2019s era American LaFrance for the City of Fayetteville and also a \u201820\u2019s era LaFrance for a friend\u2019s private collection. It was a passion they both possessed and between their contributing talents they produced some of the best restored old LaFrance\u2019s you will find.<\/p>\n<p>At Bob\u2019s insistence, Bob, my Dad, and everyone else that knew them always referred to the truck as \u201dtheir\u201d truck (Bob and Mike\u2019s). Even though Bob made the initial purchase they both agreed that after all the great amount of labor and resources put forth by both of them that it would be referred to as theirs. Their 1921 LaFrance was stored in the basement of our house for upward of 18 years.<\/p>\n<p>After the passing of Bob Biggs in 2007, the status of their 1921 LaFrance has been unknown by my Dad until his passing this past October 2013, me and my family. Shortly after Bob\u2019s passing the now retired RFD captain Gary Amato, Executor of Bob\u2019s Estate, came to the house and took possession of the truck.<\/p>\n<p>Not until seeing this episode of Leno\u2019s Garage has the location of this truck been known by myself and my family. Shortly after the link was posted to the Internet, my mother called me and said \u201cHey! Isn\u2019t that the truck that Bob and your Dad restored that JAY LENO !! is driving\u201d. After watching the video I immediately knew it was their truck.<\/p>\n<p>I have attached a couple of pictures I could locate at my house showing the truck just after completion sitting in the side yard of our house. The other picture is of Bob (on the left) and my Dad Mike (right) standing beside one of the trucks they restored in that small basement.<\/p>\n<p>You will notice that the hood of their \u201821 LaFrance reads \u201cNew Hope Fire Department.\u201d This is because at the time of completion, Bob was affiliated with this fire department. A few years later he decided to put \u201cChapel Hill Fire Department\u201d back on the truck to restore its authenticity.<\/p>\n<p>Sorry I can\u2019t provide more precise dates on restorations of the 1921 LaFrance as well as the others, but on my next visit to Morehead City to see my mother, I\u2019ll look through the picture collections of these trucks and try to get a closer time frame for each.<\/p>\n<p>Captain Nick Murray<br \/>\nRaleigh Fire Department<\/p>\n<p><strong>Family Photos<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf3.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8215\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"670\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf3.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf3-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf3-730x489.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nSeptember 1998. Photo courtesy Mike Murray.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8216\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"666\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf1.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf1-730x486.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nPhoto courtesy Mike Murray.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf2.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8217\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"677\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf2.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf2-300x203.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014-02-09-alf2-730x494.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nPhoto courtesy Mike Murray.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>More Photos<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Here are pictures of Raleigh&#8217;s 1926 American LaFrance pumper and the Raleigh Professional Firefighters Association\u2019s 1948 Mack in later decades.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012-08-14-rfd-1926-alf.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8223\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012-08-14-rfd-1926-alf.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"692\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012-08-14-rfd-1926-alf.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012-08-14-rfd-1926-alf-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012-08-14-rfd-1926-alf-730x505.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nPosed and photographed for the Raleigh Fire Department centennial history book in 2012, this picture shows Captain Gary Amato (left) and Captain Jan Chamblee astride the 1926 American LaFrance pumper. Captain Amato was a longtime friend of Bob Biggs, helped with the restoration of the truck, and helped preserve and maintain the apparatus after the restoration. Mike Legeros photo.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023-11-05-rfd-roy-moody-mjl-004.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8222\" src=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023-11-05-rfd-roy-moody-mjl-004.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023-11-05-rfd-roy-moody-mjl-004.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023-11-05-rfd-roy-moody-mjl-004-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/legeros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023-11-05-rfd-roy-moody-mjl-004-730x487.jpg 730w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a>Raleigh Professional Firefighters Association\u2019s 1948 Mack, which originally served outside of North Carolina, is pictured on November 5, 2023, at a birthday party for retired Raleigh Fire Captain Roy Moody, who turned 100 and is the oldest living retired member of the department. 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