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-------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPEED goofs list, 5.1 (spoilers) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- v5.1 01AUG94 Created by legeros@pagesz.net CONTENTS -------- i. Introduction ii. Changes to 5.1 I. Elevator Sequence II. Freeway Sequence III. Bus Jump Sequence IV. Airport Sequence V. Subway Sequence VI. Etc. i. Introduction =============== The first five sections of this list only contain VERIFIED goofs. Said gaffes can be continuity errors, logic flaws, whathaveyou. Any goof that can be reasonably explained (and agreed upon) is moved to the section on answers. For example, the query "why didn't all the two-way radio signals set off the bomb" is not a goof. Hopper is shown, later, using a cellular phone to trigger the bomb. Anyone who can explain (or can agree on an explanation) is encouraged to reply. Some goofs may be, later, relegated to a section on "Missing Scenes." For example: the most likely explanation for "why Reeves and Daniels don't seem winded after climbing 30+ floors in a split second" is that they cut a scene of them riding an elevator up to the 30th floor. Finally, almost all of these entries were submitted in good spirit. Most of us agree that SPEED is a dynamite film and these observations are a testament to our enjoyment. ii. Changes to 5.1 ================== All goofs, gaffes, questions, and answers are no longer separated into seperate sections. Everything will be listed in the appropriate section, using the following symbols: G: Gaffe Q: Question A: Answer E: Explanation M: Missing Scene I. Elevator Sequence ==================== Q: Why didn't the guard call someone when he found something strange, per standard security protocol? In some cases, procedure is to call in anything odd. Even if this is not the policy here, however, it would be standard for the guard to call in every 15-30 minutes. (from gbyshenk@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu and jdnicoll@engrg.uwo.ca) G: When Reeves and Daniels pull up to the scene, you can clearly see skid marks from earlier takes. (from johnt@dadd.ti.com) Q: Are Reeves and Daniels from SWAT/TAC or "bomb disposal?" No, there was no SWAT ID on their gear - the filmmakers left it squishy. But if this -had- been the bomb squad, Jeff Daniels (clearly established as a bomb techie) would not not NOT have been partnered with Keanu "I just work here" Reeves. Their TAC weaponry was also way out of line with the needs of a bomb detail. (from preacher@mit.edu) Q: How could Reeves and Daniels run up 30+ floors without getting winded or exhausted? And in 20 minutes or less? (from DEHP@calvin.edu and jmatthew@advtech.uswest.com) A: Missing scene of them taking an elevator to the 30th floor and then going from there? (from legeros@unx.sas.com) G: If the crane was going to snap loose, it would have done so during the first fall when the elevator had all the momentum. Physics. (from bandguy@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu) Q: Is a roof-crane cable, like the one shown, rated to withstand the weight of a full elevator? (from legeros@unx.sas.com) A: The cable probably would withstand the weight for a brief time (less than an hour order of magnitude); but I doubt it would withstand the shock it took in the movie. (from bh1t+@andrew.cmu.edu) Q: Why didn't the elevator counterweight bend out the doors before the elevator did? (from carol@edfua0.ctis.af.mil) A: The counterweight is smaller than the elevator... it won't buckle, it won't bend, it probably won't bounce. What it _will_ do is go straight down and hit very hard. The elevator, on the other hand, is not as structurally strong as a solid piece of metal, and it's significantly larger. When it hit, the walls and door buckled, probably outwards, it probably crumpled asymmetrically, and part of it probably crumpled outwards towards the ground-floor door. (from r.furr@genie.geis.com) M: Were there body parts in the parking deck that were attributed to Hopper? The body of the guard, perhaps? (from jdnicoll@engrg.uwo.ca) Q: If the body parts found in the explosion were attributed to Hopper, didn't anyone become suspicious when the security guard came up missing? (from kazel@uiuc.edu) II. Freeway Sequence ==================== G: When the first bus blows up, there is a van directly in front of it going the same speed and pulling the bus with a rope. (from many, including blorton@crl.com) G: After the first bus blows up, Keanu is told that the money must be given by 11:00. He then checks his watch (a Casio) which is displaying the ALARM time of 8:05. So what time is it? (from martin@metronet.com) Q: Wouldn't an old Ford Bronco tip over, trying to make the moves as depicted in the movie? (from dcarter@supra.East.Sun.COM) Q: When Jack was chasing the bus on foot, and the bus wasn't traveling too fast, why didn't he just pull out his gun, and shoot out the tires? (from brianvan@bga.com) G: In the rush-hour highway scenes, the car density on the highway keeps changing. The overhead helicopter shots show pretty thin (by L.A. standards) traffic volume, but the on-the-ground shots show a much busier highway. (from raymondc@microsoft.com) Q: How did the driver of the commandeered car end up seemingly uninjured after striking those barrels without wearing a seatbelt? (from bigboote.WPI.EDU) A: He got saved by an airbag. Those suckers deflate really fast, so any reaction shot wouldn't show anything (except for a big white bag hanging out of the steering column). (from raymondc@microsoft.com) Q: How the bus could manuver in heavy LA traffic? A: There are also lanes along the divider of most freeways which are reserved for emergency vehicles. The bus could have used them, but didn't. I've made the run along the 10 from L.A. to Santa Monica a number of times, and I doubt I've had to go below 50mph, unless it is rush hour. The bus had help from the cops only when it was on city streets and the Century Freeway. (from dickson@merope.caltech.edu) Q: How could a bus swideswipe so many cars and not drop below 50? (from bigboote.WPI.EDU) Q: How could a bus make the 90-degree turn? A: I know firemen who claim to have cut corners, ala SPEED, and have lifted two of four wheels off the ground. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) G: Tilting mechanism visible during infamous 90-degree turn. (from various including nyberg@ctron.com) Q: Why do the police leave the bus driver on the flatbed? (He's visible right before the bus takes a flying leap.) (from jmatthew@advtech.uswest.com) Q: How do you explain the map error? A: The map company put in an error to provide proof in the event of copyright violation by another map company! (from jdnicoll@engrg.uwo.ca) Better explanation: a mistake. My experience in traffic reporting is that map "misquoting" is common. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) III. Bus Jump Sequence ====================== Q: Can any vehicle jump a gap, as depicted? A: Yes. Q: Without a ramp and still make it? A: No. A bus travelling at 70mph will drop 4 feet by the time it has travelled 50 feet from a drop-off, and take a half a second to get there. Here's how: V at Time(zero sec.)=0 feet/sec. V at Time(0.5 sec.)=16 feet/sec. Average V=8 feet/sec. 8 feet/sec for .5 seconds = 4 feet. (from nyberg@mer-mail.ctron.com) G: Said ramp is visible. (from gbyshenk@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, among others) IV. Airport Sequence ==================== Q: Why were normal airport operations continuing (planes taxying, taking off, etc.) while a bus packed with explosives was in the immediate area? (from kazel@uiuc.edu) Doesn't the FAA have rules requiring the "shutting down" of the *entire* facility during an event of this sort? (from legeros@unx.sas.com) G: Early (overhead) shot shows billboard missing from the left side of the bus. Later shots show billboard mysteriously returned. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: How can Reeves so calmly step onto the running board of the a vehicle traveling 50 mph. A: He just did it. Ridding a running board is easy. I've done it one fire trucks travelling the same speed. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: How can Reeves hold onto the underside of a bus traveling at 50mph for so long? How did he get from the lower half of the undercarriage to the access panel without scraping his legs on the ground? (from kma@netcom.com) Q: Why didn't all the fuel didn't leak out of that sure-looked-big hole? A: The hole wasn't on the very bottom of the tank. Pour a paper cup half-full of water. Poke a hole in the cup one quarter of the way up the cup. Half of the water will run out, and then stop. The gas tank on the bus, however, probably sloshed a good bit, and therefore continued to dribble gas out of the hole. (from r.furr@genie.geis.com) Q: Why doesn't the fuel run out as fast as the gauge moves? A: The rate of decrease of fuel in the tank (of almost any vehicle) is NOT linearly proportional to the movement of the gauge over the entire range of the gauge. For example, in my car, when the tank is half full, the gauge will drop down slower towards the empty sign than when the tank is 1/4 full. (from G.Sanderson@ais.gu.edu.au) Q: How can Hopper read the insignia of Bullock's sweatshirt on such a seemingly small monitor? A: The monitor size is no problem, he obviously had quite a video setup and could easily have switched it to one of the larger screens. Whether the camera would have enough resolution to read it is a better question. (from guy.weathersby@sandiego.ncr.com) Q: Why else would he call her "wildcat?" A: He was crazy, not stupid. He was also very thorough. He must have ridden on the bus a couple of times to make sure the route was possible. If he did this a few times over the course of a month or so, he would have noticed Bullock's character as a regular rider (she had obviously been riding for a while, since she knew the driver's name and was friendly with him). Hopper also seemed to have a habit of using nicknames ("hotshot" or "wildcat"),so that wasn't too much of a stretch. (from cirby@gate.net) Q: Can you really loop video tape? A: You can't, but I can, with a screwdriver, a razor blade, and some editing tape... and so could anybody who's been in the video industry for more than, say, ten years or has taken a class in AV production on obsolete equipment (assuming they weren't using Digital Betacam or something similar). (That was 3/4" U-Matic they had on hand, wasn't it?) Of course, they probably didn't do that... that van looked pretty up-to-date, and probably didn't have an editing block on hand. However, if that van DID have a non-linear editor on board, it'd be entirely possible for them to loop a digital store of the footage. Unlikely, but possible. Alternatively, with a little creative work, they could have done two tapes and flipped between them. (from r.furr@genie.geis.com) Q: Why do Reeves and Bullock appear to be moving "backward" when then escape the bus? A: When Reeves amd Bullock slide off of the bus, they're originally travelling at the same speed as the bus. Once they're on the ground sliding, the friction starts slowing them down, and the pop out from under the bus. They are going the same direction as the bus, but since they're slowing down while the bus stays at a constant speed, it appears that they're going the opposite direction. You can clearly see in the next scene that they are travelling forward as they skid to a halt on the dirt, while the bus goes off to meet the cargo plane. (from pestka@willow) Q: Why wasn't the driver of the towing vehicle (of the plane) injured in the explosion? (from bandguy@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu) Q: Why didn't the news media, who was on the ground and outside the restricted runaway area, report the explosion of a jet? (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: Why didn't Hopper hear the airport fire units traffic on his scanner? Surely he would've started to monitor those frequencies once the plane went boom boom. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: Why didn't Hopper notice, on his tracking device, that the bus stopped moving (after it blew up?) (from sysop@elan.rowan.edu) V. Subway Sequence ================== Q: Why were passengers boarding a subway car that was heading to the "end of the line?" (from bigboote.WPI.EDU) A: After the villain takes control of the train (and perhaps after he is killed; I don't remember for sure), there is a quick scene showing the train exiting a station platform without having stopped. In other words, there was at least one completed station between the place where the passengers boarded and the end of the line. (from ed@wente.llnl.gov) Q: How can Hopper climb and fight while still holding the detonator? A: He's holding a deadman's switch. The switch obviously has a bit of leeway built in, as evidenced by the scene with Hopper taunting his hostage by letting the switch go, and then quickly snapping it back down. (from r.furr@genie.geis.com) Q: Why does the subway abruptly end? A: Because it does. In real life, the LA system is still under construction. There was no more line. (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: Why didn't Reeves move all those explosives to the back of the train when he knew he was going to crash? Or drop them off the train, entirely? (from sasbck@unx.sas.com) Q: Why didn't Reeves try the "emergency brakes" that the customers can access? Admittedly, the "main" emergency brakes at the "dashboard" (console) were out, but why would other emergency brakes be out? (from smayer@netcom.com) Q: Where were Reeves and Bullock going to jump to from a 45mph+ subway car? Q: Why didn't the train stop automatically? At least on the NYC subway the signal system includes physical trips (ask over in rec.railroad for the correct name) that activate the train's breaks if the train goes past a signal that is against the train. You can see them go up and down as the signals change colors. When there is a work crew on the tracks they often use portable trips that can be placed along the track before the train gets to the work area. (from reynolds@panix.com) Q: Why did the police call the train, to tell Reeves that the track was unfinished, but no one called to tell the workers about a runaway train? (from guy.weathersby@sandiego.ncr.com) A: Because Reeves couldn't call back to tell them he was "runaway." Q: Why couldn't the power simply be shut down to the train: (from bigboote.WPI.EDU) A: Reeves tried to respond to the message from the chief, but the train's radio wasn't working. Ergo, he couldn't call anybody and tell them (1) where he was, (2) what sort of trouble he was in. (from raymondc@microsoft.com) Q: Why doesn't either the subway's deadman switch OR the train's accelerator (to slow the train) work? A: The controls are obviously damaged. (from gbyshenk@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) Q: Why are do the lights flicker, when the train has left the tracks and which is presumably the source of its power? (from David_Cole@guru.apana.org.au) A: Subway cars have reserve electrical power, in the event of a power outage during normal usage. Sounds good to me! (from legeros@unx.sas.com) Q: Can a derailed subway car *really* skid as far as depicted? G: During the subway skidding scene, sparklers are clearly seen shooting sparks several inches down on pavement. Sparks should be coming from metal/pavement contact. (from carol@edfua0.ctis.af.mil) VI. Etc. ======== G: Bullock can't look away from the road for up to 15 to 20 minutes. Try it: sit in your car, imagine you are going 50+ mph, then look toward the passenger seat as if there were someone there to converse with. (from gbyshenk@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) Q: Why does Bullock accompany Reeves to the drop point? (from bigboote.WPI.EDU)) Q: Why was Daniels, both the "brains" of the bomb squad and recently disabled, leading the assault team? (Instead of sitting behind the desk after recently being shot.) (from jamestyu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) Q: Why does Daniels keep alternating his "cane leg?" A: If you're trying to take the weight off an injured right leg, you're supposed to use the cane on the left side (your weight is supposed to stay on the opposite side all the time). However, I can attest from personal experience that unless you use a cane every day, it's easier to switch back and forth depending on which arm is most up to the challenge and/or what works best with the furniture layout wherever you are at the time. (from preacher@mit.edu) G: As the bus and police cars pass under the camera you can see elongated shadows of all vehicles--including the camera crane!!--on the left side of the screen. (from johnt@dadd.ti.com) G: Reflections of camera crew spotting in various windows at various times (such as when Reeves is trying to get the driver's attention and when the passengers are being off-loaded). (from various including mcelhane@cherokee.nsuok.edu) G: Film is speeded up in the 90-degree turn and when Reeves is lowered beneath the bus. (from darrenl@natinst.com) G: For someone who has just gotten more stitches in her leg than a football, Annie seems to be walking around pretty normal. (E.g., when she walks out of the ambulance.) (from raymondc@microsoft.com) Copyright 1994 by Michael J. Legeros