10/22/06 23 W - + 16 - 16 Holly Springs Apparatus

Holly Springs is getting a new Pierce platform this spring, we're told, along with their new engine and brush truck.

Does anyone else think that there are enough Ladder companies in the South/Southwest portion of the county? Apex, Cary, Fuquay-Varina, Garner, and soon Holly Springs. Now if only Fairview and Swift Creek would get on board!!
guest - 10/22/06 - 14:28

I’d like to know what the deal is with small communities getting platforms, versus sticks. To me, for residential work, which is the most of what these communities get in “fire work”, a stick is a lot better than a platform. Especially for navigating through these small neighborhoods!! Just my opinion.

Would be nice also for these departments to get on the same page, work together, and develop a plan so not every dept. has a platform; spread ‘em out, put a few sticks here and there. My opinion #2.
Silver - 10/22/06 - 21:00

Don’t give anyone crazy ideas!!
Swiftcreeker - 10/22/06 - 21:01

Jeff you are correct.A good mix of sticks and Towers to get the job done and either one if not on scene could be special called.Here’s an idea on any structure fire in the county you get 3 eng’s,2 trucks(2nd being a RIT),heavy rescue,2 chiefs(1 for command,1 for safety)and EMS.For a commercial fire add 1 addn’l Eng on the first alarm,and an air& light unit.
Jim Kay - 10/23/06 - 05:55

WHAT? Have a standardized response to calls? You’re crazy…
CFP743 - 10/23/06 - 08:04

What about tankers?
Guest - 10/23/06 - 20:50

Set-up “Tanker Task Force’s” (is that a word?) throughout the county….
Silver - 10/23/06 - 23:23

just remember that it’s a “strike team” in the NIMS terminology, as they are resources of one type and function…

I know it’s just a pet peeve, and I do agree that task force sounds better, but albeit not correct
CFP 7021 - 10/24/06 - 18:34

Ok, whatever…
Silver - 10/24/06 - 21:25

What if you add a pumper (or engine) to the 5 tankers for a water point apparatus and manpower? That would make it a strike team (one job, but units of different types), Correct? I think operationally you would want a pumper at the fill point and it makes the term sound better.
Griggs - 10/25/06 - 11:23

actually I think it’s still a strike team…. task force would be if you added a police unit, ems unit, etc… pumper and tanker are still ground suppression equipment if I understood it correctly. I may be wrong on that though. I’d have to go back and look through my stuff.
CFP 7021 - 10/25/06 - 11:38

Griggs is correct… Strike Teams are of one particular type of resource, such as 4 Aerial Platforms, or 5 ALS Ambulances. Take those same ambulances and add 2 BLS units to it, and you have a Task Force. These terms do care about type and class of unit. (A typical structure fire response in the City of Raleigh [3E, 1L, 1R, 1BC] is considered a task force for the purposes of NIMS.)

(Or so I was told in my NIMS classes, that Emergency Management taught…)

But for my personal opinion, I think “Task Force” sounds better, too…
Chris - 10/25/06 - 15:37

Me too….
Silver - 10/25/06 - 16:40

Strike Team sounds like some stupid a@@ police term.
GFDLT1 - 10/25/06 - 18:41

Strike Team: A set number of resources of the same kind and type that have an established minimum number of personnel.

Task Force: Any combination of resources assembled to support a specific mission or operational need. All resource elements within a Task Force must have common communications and a designated leader.

Who cares what sounds better as long as I get what I ask for…
ICS Refresher - 10/25/06 - 18:54

Amen ICS; hey Sam, how about a tanker task force that consists of 1 engine company (water point) and 3 tankers? The OIC on the engine will also act as the “Water Supply Officer”?
Silver - 10/26/06 - 04:02

Silver, I have been thinking about 5 tankers, but that is surely open to discussion. I would keep the water point company together; therefore the engine officer would be at the fill site. I think the water supply officer is better suited to be at the dump site/incident site, so I would not expect the water point officer to be the incident Water Supply Officer. I am not saying it won’t work, and if you are short on manpower, which we all are at times, it surely is an option, just in my opinion not the best, but not a bad “Plan B”.

I agree with “ICS Refresher” from above, lets just standardize on something so we all (responders and ECC) know what we are asking for and what we are getting. I know there is some work being done at some level to make this happen, so lets just hang in there and stay safe.
Griggs - 10/27/06 - 12:20

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