11/18/13 140 W, 3 I - + 13 - 13 UPDATED: Drawings of Raleigh's New Apparatus

From the Atlantic Emergency Solutions Facebook page, here are drawings of Raleigh's new engines and ladder that are in production. The Pierce Arrow XT rescue engines (2), engine, and rear-mounted platform are due for delivery round January. The rescue engines (#27077-1, #27707-2) will be assigned to Squad 14 and Squad 15, which currently operate 2004 American LaFrance Eagle pumpers. Note the bumper compartment (for rescue tools?) and the absence of a booster reel. The "straight" engine (#27076) is shown lettered for Engine 19, which currently operates a 2000 Spartan/Quality pumper. The platform (#27078) is shown lettered for Ladder 2, which operates a 2005 Pierce Dash ladder. It's housed at Station 11, which will soon be remodeled to increase the size of the apparatus bay and accommodate the new ladder. Click to enlarge, or visit the above Facebook page for larger versions:

Shame it dont have pre pipe deck gun.
Rob Mitchell - 11/17/13 - 16:03

Those are a total waste of money and impractical most of the time.
VFD - 11/17/13 - 18:07

Impractical… impractical could also be drop tanks, Q sirens, smoke ejectors, aerial ladders and hand extrication tools. Usefulness is in the eye of the beholder. Anything that enables me to have another option is welcomed…..
Brandon - 11/18/13 - 20:03

Love the Squad Engine!
Raising the bar - 11/19/13 - 07:26

These are the lettering and striping drawings. They may have a deck gun. They aren’t included on this type drawing from Pierce.
GAfireman (Email) - 11/19/13 - 07:51

Unfortunately the trucks have been sped’d without a deck gun. Don’t understand the logic since the chief has yelled and yelled about “big fire, big water”. So we are given a “blitz” monitor that only flows 500gpm and is not being used as a blitz monitor at all rather it is set up as a defensive monitor instead of the 1000gpm monitor. Hmmmmmmm…..
Rescue Ranger - 11/19/13 - 22:16

RR, now be honest…how many times have you actually used a pre-piped deck gun on a fire?? Sure, it is useful on those rare occasions, but I’m guessing those blitz monitors have far more adaptability and easier/quicker to deploy. I would like to see my department go in this direction. Plus, the money you save on not specing the deck gun on the apparatus can be put towards something more useful.
VFD - 11/20/13 - 07:28

Looking back on Mike’s site of historical trucks in Raleigh…Why in the world did Raleigh buy those engines from Quality?
Outside of low cost, I’m confused why you woud get away from Pierce then go back to them.
Buckwheat - 11/20/13 - 11:19

Your definition of usefulness regarding deck guns is highly situational. Some departments use them quite regularly, with Detroit coming to mind. Different tactics for different areas in regards to Detroit; they refer to it as "dumping the monitor," I believe. The practice usually involves a second due pumper pulling up and dumping the entire booster tank through the window of a well involved house by way of the deck gun. The first due then goes in with a handline to finish the job. Detroit also sees a lot of fires with exposures that are very close. They quite frequently have to stop things before they burn down a row of houses. We are all seeing houses being built quite close in Wake County as a whole, and I personally think that we will be seeing more multiple structure fires in the future.

I am sure Raleigh has a reason for doing what they have, and that is their prerogative! What is common-place in one area is foreign in another. Booster lines come to mind; some wouldn’t spec an apparatus without one, or even two, while others consider them outdated or not worth the added cost. Everything has a purpose and it is the department’s decision to decide what takes precedence in accordance to the money allotted. Everybody’s money tree is producing less these days, and the administration needs to maintain levels of service while balancing the other budgetary needs.
Bob P. - 11/20/13 - 11:32

To add to my earlier comment, I think that Raleigh will like the smaller blitz nozzles. We have them at AFD, and they have proven to be very useful with transitional attacks. They are not merely for sitting in the yard, but offer you a quick, big hit that allows you to get in and knock the rest out with a handline. The smaller blitz nozzles are flowing less, but a quick hit of even 4-500gpm will do a lot! These blitz nozzles are easier to carry and can be deployed inside of larger structures such as warehouses as well.
Bob P. - 11/20/13 - 11:55

3 man crew laying in wet can use portable monitor and deck gun to protect 2 exposures easily. Have used the deck multiple times on brush fires and dumpster fires (at least 3 to 4 times a year). Saves the manpower on hot days. If you were ever a member of my crew you will remember the deck gun drills. lol
Rob Mitchell - 11/23/13 - 09:59

We have done the same exact drill. It is easier to use a blitz monitor than a 2.5” nozzle.
Bob P. - 11/23/13 - 10:40

Put the fire out and the exposure concern goes away. You can use an 1.5” to protect an exposure by directly applying water. Put the 500-1000 gpms on the fire to affect extinguishment.
Exposures - 11/23/13 - 23:24

Pictures of their progress are being posted on Atlantic’s site now. To be updated weekly.
GAfireman (Email) - 11/28/13 - 20:03

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