1. Nowadays you can't say anything is wrong or else you are wrong. I really
feel that the fire service has become more of a business then a career /
profession. Must of the people entering the fire service nowadays [come] from the
corporate world into our world. These people for the most part have worked a 8,
10, [and] 12 hour day, they do not know how to survive a 24 hour shift work, 10 days
a month, 120 days a year that we work, and then have to work at the very least
one side job to make ends meet.
quiz. Interested in seeing the results. I wish you had "Part of your Job" as an answer.
corrections are not hazing, but stern corrections that belittle or degrade the
member is not acceptable. Tell them what they did wrong, then show them the
right way. Belittling or degrading does nothing to correct the problem or
times have changed, the younger generation has a lot to learn. They were
obviously giving what they wanted when they were young, and still today! New
employees are still, under the radar until they are vested!!! Never assume that
your job is safe.
the most part, it depends on the situation, and how well you know the guys that
you work with.
a chief, there is a fine balance. Unfortunately, not all people have the
balancing skills of a cat!
should never mess with peoples equipment i.e.. fire boots. you can get somebody
killed or hurt.
the job, your momma doesn't work here
looking at the last few questions...I feel that these simply come with the
territory of being the new person on the company. I have seen it way to many
times where the volunteer Captain or Chief gets hired with a municipal
department and expects to come in passed the "probie stage". As for the
questions about messing with someone's boots/turn out gear. I feel that this is
neither hazing or razzing but plain stupid. This is something that is simply not
tolerated. This is the fire service...and the fire service is the same nation
wide. Earn your respect, pay your dues and shut up.
duties are part of normal job for lower ranking personnel. Fire gear should
never be touched.
duties-however menial-don't qualify as either razzing or hazing. And messing
with fire gear in any way is out of line and should not be tolerated by anyone.
reference to some of those things, especially the all the boot questions, you
don't screw with someone's turnout gear. That's one thing for SURE that's
off-limits, hazing OR razzing. Now, the baby powder in the boots is non-damaging
and doesn't affect how the boots are put on (it actually would make it easier)
and wouldn't require them to be taken out of service to clean. But since we're
in the business of emergency preparedness, you DON'T screw with someone's gear.
The locker thing, the packing peanuts are OK to me, even though it's an invasion
of your privacy b/c you tend to keep personal items in there. The shaving cream
is, to me, a violation, as it's potentially damaging to your items, you may need
a quick change of clothes, or they would have to take your stuff out of there to
Several of the questions' definitions all depend on who is doing what and how
it's perceived by the target. Personally, I've had a red helmet and his
doing stuff to me not to haze or razz, but to be downright mean. And it became a
trickle-down, as the new boys who weren't even off probation decided they could
join into the shenanigans (razzing, hazing, all of it) while they were still on
Basically, OUR leadership has failed in that one red helmet decided it was his
place to show other members what he really thinks of them.
and unwanted physical contact is ASSAULT.
of my answers are neither because they do not fall into either category. Hiding
or damaging boots of ff on duty is unacceptable-therefore neither. Assignment of
menial (daily duty) details is part of job description-therefore neither.
Unwanted physical contact is another unacceptable-therefore neither. Not being
talked to, or called only by last name and rank-not really either -sounds more
like personality issue as opposed to razzing/hazing. I would love to see other
peoples comments to see how these particular items are viewed.
16. I wish
there was an "Off Limits" choice. Some things were not hazing or razzing but I
though should not be done for safety reasons (i.e. mess with duty gear while on
duty preventing a rapid emergency response). I didn't think "Neither" was
appropriate b/c I interpreted that as "just the life of a fire fighter" (such as
assigning duties to the new boy).
we don't learn what "hazing" is and what "razzing" is we are going to lose 200
years of tradition that most of us have worked extremely hard to preserve. Not
only do we need to learn the definition of it, our Human Resources people need
to understand it also
daily tasks are your job!
nature of nicknames and "corrections" can be broad and may be too general a
question to properly "categorize"
firefighter duties such as going to the store, watch, washing dishes etc. is by
no way razzing or hazing it;s a duty around the firehouse house that has to be
have part of job choice
of the questions would be answered differently if I were a female or a different race
Quiz/topic cant wait to see the results!
the questions on boots are referring to turnout gear then it is off limits, if
it is for station boots it is razzing